E26: An Extra Terrestrial Interview

In this episode we interview Ken, who has had some very interesting experiences. Implanted memories? Psychic shielding? Tell us what you think! We definitely offer our own unsolicited opinions. The crystal of the week is Amber. Stay chaotic!

You can listen to our guest's podcast by searching caveman1981ad on YouTube!

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Sally, Sally, see Show, Belly C Show. Pickle pick a pickle pick a poo. I can't do that one. Peter Packa what? Peter picked a pack of pickle puck boock. P E C K. What's a pack? I have no fucking clue. Alrighty. What's that other one? Hold on. What's that other one about the beavers? How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck one? A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck one. Nice! And that being said. And I have fallen in love with pickle chips. And we're here to tell you something weirder than that. What about the vine? Alright. Alright. So before we pull our uh badass affirmation of the day, let's go ahead and take our deep breaths. We're gonna go ahead and breathe in.

SPEAKER_06 1:21

And yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25

Well, there's one thing the allergies are good for. They make my nose sound obvious when I'm inhaling food so that our finger is no when we're breathing in and out. I know I've been sounding uh stuffy all day. I'm gonna be honest with you. The last few recordings I sounded very stuffy. The whole time they're all every time. Sniffles galore. So many sniffles got cut out of the last few episodes. Oh man, it's gonna be fucks up. No, fingers up, fucks down. Fucks down. Today is it not magic number? Lucky number. Today's lucky. Wow, man, Jesus, it's been too long. Right is on fire. Um today's lucky number is number 41.

SPEAKER_06 2:06

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 2:07

Um is that a prime number? Oh I don't know what that means. It's that means it's a number that cannot be divided by anything other than one in itself. Hey Google, is 41 a prime number?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Yes. 41 is a prime number because it is only divisible by one in itself.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Wow. Thanks, Goob. So today's affirmation is some days just need a little extra fucking roll. Yeah, they do. This morning when I left my whole fucking bag of rolls two hours away from here at home, and I have to work the next two days. Sorry, you didn't ask what my chaos is this week. That's what's chaotic in my life. I was gonna say, I mean, like, man, we're jumping right into it. Okay, well, for what it's worth, that did happen, but I also have some more uh maybe not so chaos for you. So um two episodes ago when we uh did the first episode of the the Ryan Hammonds case, right? Or part one. Um so interesting news. Uh I I'm gonna do some math for you really quick. Okay. In one year. Yes. Okay. Uh so six months would be 26 weeks, right?

SPEAKER_06 3:34

I believe so.

SPEAKER_05 3:34

Okay. Um, and there were two weeks that we didn't do actual episodes. We posted like compilations of funny things and whatnot, right? So that's two weeks that we didn't do. So subtract two makes twenty-four, correct. So Ryan Hammond's case was twenty-four. Oh, that was our six-month anniversary. Oh, nice. And we are here we are at three, three, week three of our six-month anniversary month. Uh, because we're celebrating for the whole month, apparently. Um and yeah, so just we we missed our sixth month anniversary. Oh, that's okay. That sounds like us. That's that's chaotic enough. And also, uh, we released our theme song for our sixth month anniversary. So that was kind of cool. That was really nice. Uh, thank you, Erica. Again, yes, I'm in love with it. It's such a top the amount of times I've like back up, back up, back up. Yes, no, I just it's so good. I'm very, very happy with how it came out and yeah. It's just nice, it feels more official now. Yeah, so it's chaotic in your life. Oh, oh man, so much work chaos. It's always work chaos. Uh I just I had this one person that started off with us, and um like I should have known from the beginning, uh when during the interviewing process, like every time I tried to get them set up, it was always like, Oh, there's an emergency, I can't make it. There's an emergency, I can't make it. I'm like, okay. So when I finally got to get them out for me, I'm like, hey, I'm like, this is what I see. Having a lot of emergencies, you're sure you can come into a full-time decision right now. Mm-hmm. Um, three days into the thing, oh god, she didn't show up for the rest of her shops that week. Uh obviously with her situations that kept popping out, but at the end of the day, it was just like, I'm ugly it had me running around from left to right for like a good week and a half. That was that was that. Uh let me know because the situation has taken care of itself, so uh yeah, that's always nice when the situation takes care of itself. I think that was one of those things where it was just like that extra straw in the camel's back. Yeah. And oh yeah, I get that all too well. Yeah. So I'm gonna cut our chaos short today because we have a hella long episode for y'all. It's gonna be so good. I hope y'all enjoy it so much. Um I enjoyed getting to listen to it. Yeah, I feel I feel like a time traveler right now because we recorded it this morning.

SPEAKER_06 6:13

So it's the afternoon.

SPEAKER_05 6:15

And that's the afternoon. So we've actually had like lunch since then, and uh lunch was breakfast, by the way. Right, yeah, we had Ali made me breakfast for lunch. So anyways, we we have something really special for y'all. So without further ado, please meet Mr. Ken, who's gonna tell you about some experiences that he's had in his life that are a little bit weird.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Hey! Hello, hello. There you are. I'm not sure how my audio sounds at all because I've never tested this on here.

SPEAKER_05 6:51

So it sounds great. How does ours sound? Sounds fine. Uh, this is my co-host Allie. Hi.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Hi, Allie.

SPEAKER_05 6:59

We've worked together for about five and a half, six years now. And yeah, Allie's become my my best friend.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

That that always works out great. Like I was telling you with my brother and I doing one, you know, when you're close with the person you're co-hosting with, it always makes a difference.

SPEAKER_05 7:15

Absolutely. So um, I guess let's like let's jump right on into it, I guess. Uh, what would you like us to to call you throughout the episode? Ken is fine.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

I I don't. Ken is Ken, yeah. Sounds like I get caught with all kinds of names, so it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 7:34

As hairstylists, we do too. All right, so um I I made a post on Facebook and said, hey, we're looking for people to either write in or tell their story on our podcast. And he reached out and said, Hey, I have this story and uh I want to tell it. And I said we want to hear it. So that's what we're doing here today. So anytime that we have questions, we'll just interrupt essentially who's like, hey, real quick. That way he knows we got a question. Sounds good. I'm gonna pass it to you. You're passing to me.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Uh my story.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

I wasn't I wasn't clear.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Well, that's all right. I, you know, I'll dive right in. It was 1990, 93, somewhere around there. Uh Johnson City, New York, small town, upstate New York, the southern tier. I was, I don't know, probably like uh, well, if it was ninety to ninety-three, I'd be around 10, 11, 12 years old. And uh that's when the main part of this story. Now I know that Chase, you and I had spoken previously and uh I had said there's you know, there's kind of three components to the story that I told. Not sure if you want me to start at my experience, the main part, the abduction, or the smaller story prior to that I'm not sure may or may not tie into.

SPEAKER_05 9:15

Let's go chronological.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

I just want to say real quick. I didn't know so I didn't know any what any of this is gonna be coming in now. I'm excited. I I hope this uh, you know, some people find this interesting. Every time I tell it, uh, and like I said this to Chase, but everybody else that's listening, I I feel crazy telling it. Like I don't even know at this point. Like I know it's true. The memory is true to me, that's never changed. But it just seems so wild because I'm a I'm a very skeptical person in nature, and uh I've never really had any I you know I've had a couple things, but nothing that's really jumped out at me. Uh no pun intended, uh the paranormal. But uh I I got okay, I'll start from the start here. It was uh same neighborhood, same time frame. So we're talking maybe a few months prior to the the main part of my story, which was the uh the abduction. So prior to this, six months, let's say it's summertime, it's afternoon. My cousin and I, he and I were outside, we're kicking a soccer ball around. My mother worked for a uh a large factory in the the city at that time, uh Johnson City. It was EJ's, IndyCott Johnson. My father worked a little ways up the road at a recycling yard, and so I was staying at my my aunt's across the street, and I was out with my cousin, and we're we're kicking around the soccer ball, and I kind of see something out of the corner of my eye, and I look up and it's now I don't know if you or the listeners have ever seen like a giant saw blade. It's the kind you'd see at a sawmill. It's flat, it has the curved back teeth that go around it.

SPEAKER_06 11:02

Okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

Yeah, like a disc giant blade. And it was parallel to the ground, so it's it's above us. I'm gonna say 400 feet uh up. I mean, I I I don't know. We're talking 30 some years ago, 35 years ago, but it was it was a ways up. So you know, if I'm looking back now and memories correct, it was probably you know the right size for a large one of those cutting blades for like a sawmill. Except the weird thing, and he saw this too, so it it wasn't just me, or I I would think I was crazy on this, but it was a relatively slow speed, and it kind of flew from above the houses behind us, it stayed parallel to the ground, it wasn't like dropping in altitude, it wasn't climbing, the speed wasn't changing, and it just continued across the road, uh above the houses on the other side, and there were railroad tracks, and it went beyond that. Uh there's factories and over the top of that and out of sight, and you know that I I didn't know how to process it. I still really don't, because that doesn't make sense. You know, a blade doesn't fly under its own power. And people I tell this to, they're like, Oh, you saw a spacecraft. I'm like, that wasn't a spaceship, it was a saw blade.

unknown 12:30

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Yeah, I I don't I hope somebody else is, and I'm gonna touch on another thing here, but I want to give you a chance to maybe. But there's another kid that I had grown up with, and I've known most of my friends for 35, 40. I mean, we all were in middle school together. We all talk to each other, and I'm 45 at the time, so that's a lot of long relationships. But I I was talking to him because like I said, I do my own little podcast thing, and he was telling me his story, and this is before he had heard mine, that he had an experience with a saw blade in the same neighborhood.

unknown 13:08

What?

SPEAKER_01 13:09

And yeah, and we all lived in Johnson City. Um, myself, I lived there, and then it was uh I don't know, the equivalent of two or three blocks to the west. My friend Dominic, who had told me this story, and then our other friend had some stories, but not about blades, and I won't include that. She lived uh maybe another four or five blocks further west than him. And but his story, just to kind of I don't know, maybe lend some credibility to mine, he was in his backyard, and he's you know, of course, we were younger at the time, but growing up we always did BMX and stuff like that. So he was telling me he's out there fiddling with his bike and has a fenced in backyard. He said a saw blade came over the side, one side of the fence, like parallel to him, so it's perpendicular to the ground. And it came over the fence, skipped across the ground, and then shot up over the fence to the other side and just kept going.

SPEAKER_06 14:14

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

So I I know it all that all sounds crazy, and nobody's probably ever seen that, but neither one of us are paranormal anything. Like we we don't have any not very many. I mean, I might have one or two, but nothing crazy as far as stories. It's not my lifestyle, it's not at the forefront of my mind. Yeah, I I'm I I'm not trying to seek anything, I don't know, anything for this, so I don't see why people wouldn't believe it, but other than it being unbelievable in nature, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 14:48

And honestly, I think when you talk to people and they can't understand what's going on, their their brain just doesn't want to deal with it. So it's yeah, so a lot of people just kind of write it off where they're just like, oh yeah, and that's the end of it. Yeah, it's a self-protection, uh psychological self-protection um tactic. Yeah, but that's why we kind of created the podcast with Sally. Like people can talk about it, or we can't, because it's I mean, it's uh yeah, the things that people experience in this world are or I think all of us can think are kind of crazy. But I mean, when there's multiple people experiencing the same thing, I'm like, that's that's something. And I I don't know, I think it's interesting. Me too. But like, yeah, I was like, nobody would be able to explain assembly, just right. Like floating around. Like, was it going fast enough to cause any kind of inager injury?

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Um, the the one that he had seen?

SPEAKER_05 15:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Uh I that I I don't know. Um I he said it skipped across the yard a couple times, so I mean I'm assuming it was moving pretty decent. It just it doesn't make sense because where you know nothing shoots out saw blades that just continue to move. That's not a thing. Uh that of course, physics kind of doesn't allow for something to just stay in motion without something propelling it, or you know, it it's not I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 16:19

I've never friction causes it to slow down. Yeah, we learned all about that in in middle school. Yeah. So I I don't know. You said that the one you saw was was about 400 feet up up in the air.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Guesstimation, yeah. So it it it looked a little smaller because of the elevation, but I think it would have been about the normal size. And so the normal size for something at a sawmill, we're not talking the normal like one foot in diameter that you might see at a hardware store. You know, you're talking three, four feet in diameter, maybe, because they they cut through through trees essentially on conveyor lines. But yeah, that that happened prior to the main story, and I I don't know if it ties into it, but it's certainly crazy. I don't I don't know how to explain it, and I've never had anybody else tell me they've seen this. Just the three of you. Yeah, well, yeah, Dominic and I, the my other friend had never seen anything like that, but she had seen other things. I I'm no, I'm just gonna say I might be going out on a limb. I don't know. So that that little area, that neighborhood, especially in that time frame, there's there's just so much weird stuff that that happened. I don't know if it can be attributed to, you know, there was lots of rail line activity at the time. IndyCott Johnson was a huge facility, and that had factories all over the place. There were underground tunnels as far as uh getting containers from one factory to the other across parts of town. Just uh a lot of scrapyards, just uh an active place. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 18:07

I can't explain it.

SPEAKER_06 18:09

But now I am curious about uh starting to see how like if this ties in or if this is right.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Uh I guess it ties into the main part here in nature, but it it other than that, I I don't know. I I will say that the last time that Chase and I had spoken prior to the podcast, she had mentioned something that made part of my story at the end, which you will hear, kind of click and it added a whole new layer to it. Because I never put two and two together with this. You may know what I'm talking about, the mountain.

SPEAKER_05 18:43

Um I don't know if Allie's heard of it yet, but um, I'm sure uh one of us will make a point to bring it up when you get to that point.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Uh all I know is she got really excited. I'm just hoping that something with the saw blade, you know, maybe there'll be some there'll be that connection there too, other than I seen I I seen it come from the same area that I'm that I can I should I say allegedly for everybody? I don't know, guys.

SPEAKER_05 19:13

I mean it's up to you. That's up to you. I feel like you know, your memory, it's you know, you lived it, it's you went through it. So um I feel like allegedly kind of just oh, what's the word? Like takes that truth away from you, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Yeah, I guess you're right. I just I uh and I I mean to me, I know it's real. I just like I said, it it it just seems crazy in nature, but I'll I'll tell the story. It's always weird for me getting into it, but I'll so this was uh now the the cousin that I spoke about, him and I playing soccer, it was his brother, uh, so obviously my other cousin, and I had lived across the street again. My now this was the 90s. Uh I think my mother was at bingo, if anybody knows what that is. Yeah, horrible activity that old people enjoy. I'm sorry if any of your listeners love it, but oh my god. She's out doing the bingo thing, and my dad, who worked uh as an equipment operator during the day, also did security in the evenings at the same scrapyard. So he's off at work, mom's doing the bingo thing, and I'm over at the apartment, and it's a second floor apartment uh across the street from where my cousin's mom lived, uh my aunt. And you know, this is the 90s. It it's cop we didn't need supervision right next to us every second of the day like the world is now, but we're over there. We're I've got a computer. It's like an old Apple computer. And I don't remember where we got it. I I don't know if my mom brought it home because it was something to do with her work at EJ's or you know, my dad found it, and he was not a technical kind of person. He was just a work boots, uh country music and beer kind of guy, so that might lend some character to the story. But the one of them had brought the computer home. This thing sat in the living room. Yeah, it's the 90s, so who the hell knows? I mean, it ran through dial-up, so it probably took three days to get on the internet. We were playing with this computer, we had nothing to do. You know, uh, we weren't gonna go outside, it was getting dark, it was getting you know, late, so it was that or video games or TV or something, or go back across the street to uh my aunt's house. We decided to play with this thing, we turned it on. It's your usual DOS prompt back in the day. I mean, even as a kid, you knew what you had to enter to get into the computer. And the weird thing though. So we're doing this, and I guess long story short, so I don't make this go on all day for ya. I know my storytelling can be painful.

SPEAKER_05 22:09

I get ADHD and We are enjoying this so much.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

I hope. Okay. Well that that kind of that makes me feel good. I'm I'm not just, you know, yelling into the void, and you ladies are sitting there like, oh my god, I wish he'd shut up already.

SPEAKER_05 22:26

Well, we might actually be the void, but Oh, that I do this all the time.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

I I feel like I do it all the time. Like I was saying with my little podcast that I'm trying, I I don't think anybody will ever hear me. Maybe in a hundred years they'll find a clip somewhere and think I'm crazy in the future. That'll be nice. But I digress. I we're playing with the computer, and it starts to go haywire. Grant, I'm a kid, I don't know what the hell's going on. I'm lucky I can turn it on and play whatever's on there, Oregon Trail or the Minesweeper or whatever it had. Yeah, hated that game. OG. Everybody dies of dysentery. Yeah, yeah. And this thing starts to go nuts, but it's not, it's not shooting like DOS prompt code. Granted, at the time I didn't know what this was, but I've I've done programming since in college. I know what it is now. And instead, from normal top to bottom, left to right, but at an extremely fast rate, it's shooting like alphanumeric, there's lines of alphanumeric nonsense across the screen, letters and numbers. And it's just it's just going and going and going. So I think I've I've screwed the computer up. Uh the one part I will say, and this seems crazy to me still, and I I'm not gonna vouch for how accurate this part was, but I swear we unplugged this computer and it kept scrolling for a little bit of time after doing so.

SPEAKER_05 24:02

Uh I'm yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm like, especially when it was running off on its own, but I think a lot of the times they carry enough um juice to kind of like Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Yeah, I I mean it wasn't old like it had capacitors or that sort of technology in the 90s, but I remember for some time it it doing this, and this was the point where my cousin freaked out and he ran into the back bedroom, um, which will come back into the end of the story. So he's out of the picture now. He's he's off hiding under a bed or some shit. I don't know what he was doing. But he wasn't out there backing my ass up, I know that. And I'm compelled to go look out the window. I don't know why. Uh so I go over and there's the front door if you're looking at the wall, it kind of goes out to the stairs of the road, and then we have a little kitty corner section of the wall before the sidewall, and that little kitty corner section looked out into the driveway, and then you could see across the street and over the houses across the street. Okay, and there's like a maroon, very popular color in the 90s, at least in New York State. Everything was maroon. And we're I'm behind this recliner, and I'm looking out the window, I'm like kneeling down, looking over the ledge, and I see it. Alright, here's here's the crazy part. I'll put it out there. You know, if you or anybody wants to write in and roast my ass, go for it. But I'm looking out the window and I see the saucer. Now, at the time, it doesn't appear far. It looks like it's right over the trees across the road, maybe beyond the point where people in those houses could see it, but it's over top of them. And yeah, it it now how do I describe the color? It wasn't reflective, it wasn't like a chrome. Uh if I say gunmetal gray, people might know what that's gray. Yeah. It was a dull like gunmetal cornpowder kind of gray.

SPEAKER_06 26:17

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

And smooth, uh not super large. I mean, maybe if you had four cars parked, you know, front to back, side to side, it that would be the diameter.

SPEAKER_06 26:31

So like what right now.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Yeah, it it wasn't, you know, some people tell stories about like huge craft, you know, took on like a football field or it was nothing like that. Um and I'm looking at it, obviously I don't know what the hell this is. And it gets a little crazier here. Uh hatch in the top, like a circular section, like a piston almost, kind of lifts up a little bit like it was recessed, it's set in the body. And I just remember the section lifting up, and I'm I'm I'm not really afraid for some reason, but I'm I'm frozen. And I see it lift up, and then it kind of turns to the side as if it was on hinges after it lifts out of the body. Uh from there, yeah. Can I say it gets crazier again? I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 27:29

I'm over here making hand motions to like visualize this so that way. I know I'm trying to make a change so it can visualize.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

I have a hard time visualizing things in my brain. Okay. Um so when I said it, do you see what I'm saying? How it lifts up out and then it then it goes to the side like uh you'd open a door.

SPEAKER_05 27:51

I yeah, I'm I'm imagining it in my head. I'm making the most for Ali too.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

That that part compared to what's next, I guess, just falls to the wayside anyways. But I that's when it kind of lifts out of this this thing, which isn't that deep. I mean, it it was deep enough, or this thing was tall enough wherever that the top of that saucer kind of came to above what I assume is its abdomen. Now, I guess the best comparison, everybody's seen the X-files and the gray aliens or whatever it is. Uh, it wasn't really bad. It was a lot more slender. It was a like a a dull, dead greenish kind of color. Oh. Like uh like cold split pea soup. Oh uh smaller head, smaller body and limbs, still had bigger, like black eyes. And I'm looking at this from you know, across the road and then maybe 60 feet beyond that side of the road from the second floor. So I can still see it. Uh but and I get the chills talking about it. I mean it's weird. And I'm looking out the window, and I'm locking, I'm gonna say locking eyes with this thing. I mean, it's its eyes, obviously. So we're we're looking at each other, and I'm still not really afraid. I'm kind of like, you know, you got that little bit of inner panic, you don't know what's going on. I remember as a kid, like I'm I'm scared, I don't know what this is, but I'm not terrified. Like, I'm not afraid that it's gonna come get me or something. And after a few moments of staring, it just goes black for me. And then I remember 40 minutes later, we're gonna say, because I'm just spacing it was like 8, I don't know, 20, 8:30, and it was closer to nine when I I found myself back in the middle of the living room floor. Um and that I don't remember to this day what happened, but I think back on it, and the experience gives me that like this is weird feeling, but I don't I don't have any fear associated with it. Like I these people tell stories like oh they they tortured me and yada yada. Like I I don't I don't have any of that. I don't remember anything probing me, you know. Uh most of my probing was done in college, so this this that's been I don't know. I I wish I had actual memory of what happened. If people have told me, go get hypnotized, and that doesn't work on me. I think you have to I mean, I don't even know how to say it without sounding like an asshole, but I think you have to be real susceptible to suggestion in order for hypnosis to work.

unknown 30:52

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Yeah, and I'm not. Like if I'm in a room and a thousand people say that the sky is green, I'm gonna still say it's blue. Right. And so it doesn't work for me, but I uh have more to it. Now that that story alone, if it stopped right there, people would be like, okay, maybe, you know, whatever, another story. Guy sees an alien, wakes up 40 minutes later, lost time, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 31:24

Real quick, um, how far away from where you had been standing when you were looking at this did you wake up afterwards?

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Okay, where I was was kneeling behind the recliner and kitty corner in the room. So, I mean, from there back to the middle of the room would be five, five, eight feet, something like that, to the center of the living room. And uh the couch being behind me, the recliner kitty corner in front of me, and the computer to my left if I'm facing the wall with that window. Okay. So I you I mean, how did I if I did, how would I have left my house and then got back? I don't know. I don't know how they do that shit. I don't even know if I went anywhere. I'm not sure if something happened and then I came back too, or you know, I went on one hell of a journey and I don't get to remember it, which kind of sucks. But you know what you saw. I do, yeah. It's it's never changed. Like I can and I don't even know how it's possible other than it stays fresh in my memory, but I've always like I don't have a ton of memories throughout my life, but the ones that I do have, I can remember them quite vividly. Just like when I dream, I'm a vivid dreamer. Uh I almost know that I'm dreaming sometimes. I dream in color. And you know, I can retain what I've seen. And let me let me touch on that real quick. Some people might say, When you know you're a child, you had an imagination. And yeah, I had a crazy imagination, but I know everything that I was imagining, and I know what was real. Like I wasn't oh god, what's what's the PC term for this? I don't know. I I I was aware enough to to separate reality from fiction. Right. I I knew I had an imagination, but I wasn't imagining this shit. Uh and I guess this is the good part, the part that kind of makes me really even believe myself and hello, hello, hi.

SPEAKER_05 33:41

We interrupt your regular programming for an amazing corny joke. Hey Allie. Yes, how did the barber win the race? It does. Um He knew a shortcut.

SPEAKER_06 34:06

There you go. I like that joke.

SPEAKER_05 34:10

It was it was it did feel personal, but it turned out good. It turned out good. You may now return to your regular programming.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

It was another normal memory, and you'll see how this ties together relatively quickly. I know who left off with me waking up in the middle of the floor there. Another memory that from the same time frame, uh, was fourth grade. I had a girlfriend, and I will tell you her name at the end of this, because that's so many layers to this shit.

SPEAKER_05 34:44

And this is the memory that you had once you woke up from that.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

Oh, no, no, no. This is just uh, you know, when this memory came to me, I I couldn't tell you, but it's just another normal memory of an experience in my childhood that I eventually had tied into what happened here because uh, well, you'll see why at the end. I I had this memory of a girlfriend from fourth grade. I went with her to with her to her house to meet her father and uh her sister, or her mother was still back home, which I don't recall if that was California or Mexico. They were originally from Mexico. And but I went there with her, and this is where the memory starts, is like with walking in the yard, up the stairs, and into their first floor apartment, through the living room, and into the kitchen where her father's standing at the table. She's standing beside me, over my left shoulder, there's her sister, which I remember interacting with some, you know, normally, but younger for one. I'm it's like fourth grade, but there's this eerie feeling, you know, like I know that I'm here talking to these people and I feel comfortable with her, but something seems off the whole time. And he's showing me a picture and telling me about where they came from. I remember asking something about uh never seeing her in the yearbook, and I asked her this, and they they said, Oh, now this is crazy. Uh he's like, uh, she's homeschooled, we're just passing through here for a short time. We're gonna be going back home. And the sister never says much, just the father, and he's telling me this as he shows me a picture of the this is a pretty well-known picture. There's probably a thousand of them, but the great red woods in California, the trees where I I guess it's cut out where you can drive right through the trunk of the tree. Like have you seen that before?

SPEAKER_05 37:04

I've seen that picture before. I think Ali has to, but I'll make sure she sees it before the end of the day. Okay, what do I look up for redwood? Redwood, drive-through, redwood. Drive through it'll probably pop up. I'm gonna Google um Google search keywords. Just so she has the the same image.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Yeah, yeah, that we're because I I know it's a popular, I don't know if it's more than one, but yeah, no, I see it.

SPEAKER_06 37:37

It's like a bridge and it's cut out and it goes it goes through the right. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

It goes right through the yeah. So he's showing me this and telling me how they're going back home, and I don't really remember how the conversation ends with him. Like I said, it wasn't a scary feeling, but something felt off. And uh the girlfriend who's alongside me, and then he turned around, walk back past her sister, who seems friendly, not threatening, but just just strange, I guess, would be the memory. And she's gonna say goodbye to me before walking me out. Now, here's the weird thing, and I'll tell you after this how it ties into UFO. And I think you'll put two and two together once you hear it anyway, but we go back out of the kitchen, so we're away from the father, the sister, and then we're in the living room. We kind of duck behind this recliner in her living room. It's a red recliner.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

Okay, now like when they ducking behind that night.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Yeah, just like the one that I was meet behind when I was looking up at the saucer. Uh coincidence, I don't know, but uh there's more, you know, and and so we're we're saying our goodbyes, you know. I don't know if I'll see you again, whatever 10-year-olds talk about. We'll kiss goodbye, and then I remember her taking my hand, walking me out the front door, and as we walked down the stairs, that's my end of the memory of her. So the only thing I remember about this girl that supposedly I was yes, I know it's fourth grade, but this girl that I was dating in fourth grade, the only memory for some reason was the entire length of me walking into her house, meeting these two people that felt uh a little off, and then behind that recliner, and then out the door is where the memory ends. And I'll say from there, I'd mentioned the redwood. Now the UFO thing ties in as far as it's strange that I first saw that saucer, I was behind my red recliner, and my memory with her virtually ended behind like the same recliner in a different home. Yeah, we I don't know. Like I said, I get the chills talking about it. It's uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:08

And then the other thing is is that you know, um, when we spoke the other day, I didn't know about the saw blade, and that's also just an interesting coincidence. Y'all know how I feel about that, but saw blade and then you know the redwood trees as well, along with you know what you're about to get to. Go ahead, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

No, no, you're yeah, it it it does kind of uh I guess tie into it. You got two things flying around in in Johnson City, but her name was Shasta, which did not mean anything to me until recently.

SPEAKER_05 40:44

Um so uh I'll go ahead and you when you told me that the other day, so something that you know we've alluded to a couple times is that him and I spoke on the phone a couple days ago just to make sure that this was gonna be a good fit and make sure our vibes match well. And um, when he said that, I freaked out because you ever heard of Mount Shasta? I don't think so. So it is I want to say it's in that particular area, Northern California, and it is very known for uh extraterrestrial activity. And so they get these clouds above it that like do this really weird thing, and it's I can't remember the name of them, but it's it's something that happens on top of most tall mountains, but it happens like way more often above Mount Justin's a lot of people believe that they live in that cloud or they live deep within the mountain. Yes, it is such an interesting, such an interesting place to learn about.

SPEAKER_06 41:45

Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_05 41:46

Well, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to look at this because that's cool. But yeah, no, that's crazy. So now she has the name of a place where there's alien activity there.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

And I didn't know that. Like I I I of course knew her name was Shasta, but I I've never I don't even know if I knew there was a mount Shasta. I I've been looking I looked for some time, trying to like just find her on social media, kind of to I don't know, either link credibility to me thinking that and let me tell you what I was thinking. I I'm thinking that the memory of her, because of the length of the memory, the feeling behind it, that this was either one of two things, something my mind created to protect me from what really happened, which happens to people that have been through trauma, and whatever happened to me doesn't feel like trauma. Uh, I'm not like scarred physically or emotionally by this uh abduction or whatnot. So uh the only other thing is I would think an implanted memory. Like I wasn't supposed to remember what happened, so this kind of you know, it put that cloak over what really happened. Maybe the people that I were seeing weren't really a father and a sister and a girlfriend. Maybe it was, you know, I'm hoping I didn't kiss an alien, but uh I I don't know if that's really part of it. Uh the kiss with her was, at least in my memory.

SPEAKER_05 43:17

So I, you know, I don't believe in coincidence. I say that as I've said that a million times now. And, you know, I I like to be skeptical, but I also like to think that, you know, it could be that second one because there is some symbolism in there, you know, more than just her name, even the redwoods, you know, that has interesting ties to specifically the paranormal world when it comes to aliens. So yeah, just it's such an interesting connection to me.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

And that's and that's what did it for me too, is that last part of the the whole like if it was just the alien abduction thing, maybe I could have just lied to myself over the years and been like, uh, okay. You know, you thought you were abducted by aliens, walk it off. Uh my dad's favorite thing. Just walk it off, you'll be alright. It's just aliens. You know, something like that. But some dirt shit. Yeah, just rub some dirt on that shit. You'll be alright. But as far as like remembering her and then eventually kind of putting two and two together, because like I I mentioned I had friends for I have friends, and they're all from middle school, elementary school. Like my one friend Nicole, I've known for 37 years. We used to hang out as like eight-year-old kids. And I asked her because she knows everybody in that town, and she's lived there her whole life, and she has no memory of a girl named Shasta. Uh nobody remembers her ever playing outside with us. My cousins don't remember her. We all lived around the corner. So like I in the house, the house that I remember her at, I I just want to say that I know the house. It's still there. And I don't remember her and her family ever living there. I know oh yeah, I I know of the guy that does live there because we used to run by his house every day after school and yell at us, and we'd call him like Mr. A-head or something, I don't know what it was, or fourth grade. And we'd shake his fence because it pissed him off and just run around the corner and go back to the house. So I I don't I don't know. I mean, it feels like it has to be some kind of implanted memory. Like I don't have I don't have any other memories of people that never existed. I I'm not that kind of person.

SPEAKER_06 45:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

You know, I don't have an AI girlfriend or an imaginary friend or anything. So I I mean, I don't know. I guess that's what I can offer to the listeners, and they can either tell me they've had something similar or, you know, like I said, roast the shit out of me because I'm up for it.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

Wow. And that was the part that was the part that happened after words, right?

SPEAKER_01 45:59

Uh the memory with Shasta?

SPEAKER_05 46:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

Um, I don't know if it actually happened. Like I said, if it was a memory, uh it it didn't per say happen on a timeline because uh it's just a memory that I I now remember when I look back. Uh the only thing I know is that it happened during that time frame because I was in fourth grade, and that would have been around the age when the UFO thing happened. And I I tied it together with that recliner and that that weird feeling, and I just uh and never like nobody remembering her.

SPEAKER_05 46:39

You know, it was weird back then, someone just to pop into our neighborhood and nobody know who they were and no one talk about how that weird family came in for a year a short period, you know?

SPEAKER_01 46:53

Yeah, I like I don't want to say to like it was the 90s. I I I mean god, how do I go about this? The town that I grew up in, it it wasn't like uh Johnson City, it's a city, I guess, technically. It wasn't a predominantly, you know, this is white America kind of thing. It had a large uh Laotian and uh Vietnamese population as well. A fairly good size. But uh you know, I don't I don't remember anybody else ever going to school or anything that that especially came from Mexico or out of the country anywhere and that was there. Uh and everybody kind of knew everybody. I mean the schools were m I don't know, elementary and middle school were a few miles apart and everybody was close. It's just it feels like somebody would have remembered her somehow, unless they weren't there for that long. And not long at all.

SPEAKER_05 47:53

Yeah, no, I I understand that it's just my mind is just so blown right now. Like there's so many, so many connections there that you know, and it is it's really strange that like that's your only memory with this person, and no one else remembers her being around. And I mean, as far like as far as I can tell, you mentioned that you remember that old man being there the whole time. So it's it would be strange for him to have like just not been there for a little while and they were there instead, and then he was back there again, like, but no one remembers it. That's right. My friend is just telling me that an alien came down and it saw you and it was like, oh shit, there's a human blackout, and then later on came back to see if he remembered it.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

Maybe maybe. I mean, if that's the whole thing, I feel like I've been short changed on this shit. I wish he'd come back and take me for a ride or something. But like I honestly don't think I would mind it. And this might be crazy, and it's off, it's not off topic, but it's it's not the story. People say they see these aliens and they kind of I don't know, they panic or they freeze. And I get it, you're seeing something that doesn't exist. But being a little bit of a country guy myself, you know, two things. One, I've never seen anything that a 12 gauge can't bring down. And the other thing is like I I I don't know with this situation, like I I wasn't afraid even as a child when I saw it. And I feel like this world is so sick and crazy as it is, and maybe it wouldn't be so bad going for a ride with those guys.

SPEAKER_05 49:35

So show me Saturn. I'm on the side of if aliens are real, they're probably hiding from us because we're dangerous. Right? Yeah, for real.

SPEAKER_06 49:43

I agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:45

So what am I doing? I used to work as a mortician, and everybody was like, every time I tell people they always get so freaked out and they're like, oh my god, but like, aren't you scared? Or are like where didn't you feel something weird? I'm like, I'm not scared of dead people, I'm more scared of the living people. Yeah, I really can actually hurt me. I was one of those people was like, it doesn't freak you out. You're not like scared of the dead people, and she goes, I'm way more afraid of live ones.

SPEAKER_01 50:11

Now I would be afraid of one of them, you know, magically open their eyes back up or some shit. I I I know that typically everybody's embalmed, but does that happen, Allie?

SPEAKER_05 50:22

No, no. We close our eyes with uh super glue. No, no, no. Well, yeah, that too. But there's like these contact lenses with spikes on them that's called eyelids closed. That's creepy. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_06 50:35

That is a that is a fresh one.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

That's why I'm getting cremated. I want my ass just dumped in the Great Lakes and mix me in with a root ball of a tree. Yeah, that would be great. I was gonna say it'd be my luck if they made me into a tree. Somebody probably cut me down, turn me into paper, and then make, I don't know, some sort of documentation out of me that I wouldn't want to be.

SPEAKER_05 51:00

They turn you into a tree, it'd come like full circle. Oh, that's the whole story. They become a redwood. Become a redwood.

SPEAKER_01 51:07

Yeah, or one of those trees, the sawmill that the blade cuts in half.

SPEAKER_05 51:11

Oh my gosh. Oh, that's not that's not the full circle we were hoping for.

SPEAKER_01 51:16

That's my luck though. It might happen. I mean, it'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_05 51:19

Shit, I'll get maybe this was actually telling you about your past life. Maybe you were a redwood tree, got cut down and turned into a paper that you didn't care for.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

I wish they would have left me a red. Oh, maybe.

SPEAKER_05 51:32

Maybe that would make this our second intergalactic past life story if that were the case. I don't know. I do get so I get uh I have a like that it that little bit of like FOMO whenever people talk about aliens and stuff, because I love the thought, like I've I've always wanted to experience it. I would be out there chasing it and nobody's ever come to talk to me. No alien has ever approached me before. Allie, for our one year anniversary, I'll tell you my stories. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Oh, is is this the one with the lights?

SPEAKER_05 52:04

Yes, yes, and you know what just like just like you, when we saw that we weren't we weren't scared or terrified. We were just like, what is that thing? We were like curious little animals is what we were.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

That's yeah, I uh so I got to hear the story first. That's nice, thank you. It was pretty interesting. I mean, I I like to hear stories like that that aren't the norm, and that's not to say that anybody that's experienced a normal if there's a such thing as a fucking normal alien abduction, I don't know what the hell that means. But yeah. Not to take credibility from them.

SPEAKER_05 52:47

Yeah, no, I mean, there's I've heard lots of stories and a lot of them are very similar. And um, you know, even even when they're not, there are some overlaps, you know. Like for instance, the the things that you said about that strange memory that you had, that that's something that the like the weird feeling about the people that were there that just didn't feel right, and you know, the fact that like this wasn't a real person or a family that you could eventually track down and you were able to be like, Oh, they never lived there. Like that that is very um oh my goodness. That is very consistent with uh people who uh who feel that they've had implanted memories or you know, with what they when they speak about their own personal ones. So and um a lot of times I've heard stories where they they do that implanted memory and they leave Easter eggs in there, you know. And I feel like that that's what happened with you. They left you some Easter eggs in that in that strange little memory, you know. So um, yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm a believer. Um it definitely sounds believable to me. You don't sound like a crazy person. You know, I spoke to you on the phone the other day and you seem like a perfectly stable human being, you know.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Let's let's not go that far. That's a stretch.

SPEAKER_05 54:08

You know, like I tell people I'm normal, but I'm not, right? Like I'm mentally stable at least.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

Yeah, I think I have. Well, I mean if you ask my wife, she might not agree, but I I think I'm pretty stable. I I don't know. That's uh and like you now it was I think uh Ellie, you were saying that you've wanted to experience like UFOs or aliens. I just wanted to say along those lines, I've always wanted to experience something ghostly, earthly paranormal.

SPEAKER_05 54:39

Yeah, yeah. We were talking about that the other day, and I was I was telling you some of my own crazier experiences for sure.

SPEAKER_01 54:47

Uh which I I find fascinating because I like I wish I've been in situations where something should have happened and I nothing, you know.

SPEAKER_05 54:57

And um, Allie always tells me that like she's like, you bring things out, and I'm like, I don't even know what that means. And then my mom and grandma feel the same way. And I like I tell people like I'm an unpracticed medium, like I have the empathy, I have like the I don't know, the woo-woo, if you want to call it, but I gotta control it.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

So I've never heard that, but I'm gonna use the term woo-woo from now on. Somehow you're gonna throw it in there. The woo.

SPEAKER_05 55:26

So Alex, he was asking you. Um, he said he was asking that you wish that you could have some kind of an experience. Yes. Yeah, so okay, so I mean, like I live in Alpha or I live in Al Paso, that's where I'm from. Um, but driving out there, I always go at night, I stop in the middle of nowhere, and I turn off all of my lights, and I'll sit there just waiting, looking up at the sky, and nothing will come and take me. Well, you know what? Maybe you should stop in Marfa instead of just the middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_01 55:59

See, I love that. I I mean I've never been to Texas, but I I've I spent some time in Arizona, and I can say that I absolutely love the desert at night. It's just annoying.

SPEAKER_05 56:10

One of my favorite memories is the views that I got to see while I was out there. I went camping out in I think it was New Mexico. That's what's on the other side of El Paso, right? And we just went to have fun one night and drove out into the desert and man, and it's so beautiful out there at night, especially when like you can see all the stars because the moon's not lit up. I I love a good waning crescent.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

It is because there's no there's no light pollution. It's almost the same as like I mentioned Nebraska before, also, which is wide open, like prairies and shit, 400 miles, at least off the interstate. Lots of ranches, just that open sky where there's no there's no city lights and nothing. You can see so much.

SPEAKER_05 56:55

Yes. It's like my new house. Uh we have we had to get permits to have a light outside of our home to the house that we're building right now. Really? Because it's called a dark skies permit. And so basically it has to have a full face covering and it has to face at the ground so that way it doesn't pollute the sky with unnecessary light pollution.

SPEAKER_01 57:16

I love that. I I can say that they're trying to currently pass that in New York.

SPEAKER_06 57:22

Oh, that's gonna be so hard to do. What about I don't know how the city's gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

Like, I'm up in Finger Lakes Country, uh, upstate New York. But as of 11 p.m., they're trying to make it where everything would be lights off except for exemptions, and whatever exemptions mean, I don't know. I don't know what the government says.

SPEAKER_05 57:46

So that means big business. Yeah, people with money, that's what that is.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

Yeah, they they can all keep their lights on. The rest of us, uh bottom, turn your shit off. I probably should have asked this ahead of time. Uh am I uh a little too colorful with my language? Uh not at all.

SPEAKER_05 58:07

Not at all. I'm a sailor. We click the say we click we click the explicit content uh box every single time we post.

SPEAKER_01 58:16

Yeah, but I said before, being Irish, it's just part of my nature.

SPEAKER_05 58:22

Yeah, I was telling him yesterday, oh I'm I'm I'm part Irish too. Yeah, I'm German, French, Irish, and English, so I know how to curse and drink. Okay, so I am curious, though. He's talked about his starting a podcast, doing a podcast. Can you tell me a little bit about your podcast? Because I didn't know you were a podcast reader until like again at the beginning of this uh interview.

SPEAKER_01 58:43

I I can, yeah. I wasn't gonna give myself a shameless plug because I'm just not that kind of guy, but you mentioned it, so I will. It it's currently on YouTube, and the audio is atrocious. Now, maybe not atrocious, but it's not great. And I know I was talking uh with Chase here previously, like I said, and we both had some trouble, like we're trying to find platforms and way to record remotely that isn't like a dumpster fire that's roaring out of control. It's not as easy as everybody makes it seem. And right.

SPEAKER_06 59:17

Oh, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

We've had some issues with her audio quality. And I'm hoping this episode, uh, I'm not sure how it sounds on your end, or the people listening right now, everybody I hope that's listening can uh you know understand this because I know I'm getting a little bit of uh reverb at times or overlap, and uh I've never used this platform before, so maybe each track can be edited individually.

SPEAKER_05 59:42

I think that's what they told us. Yeah, I think that's what it says on there for the I'm hoping.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

So if if it records separate audio tracks, and you know, maybe even somebody listening, this will help them figure it out. Uh if you tell them what it is we use, if you want, I don't know, but if you can do separate audio tracks, it'll make a huge difference. Because my podcast, we do one audio track. We record it live on Facebook, uh, we do a call, record it live on Facebook, and I then send it to YouTube create, where I I I change the aspect ratio, add a static overlay, and then the podcast symbol, a sound wave, you know, the title and so on, and it's just an audio podcast. Right. Uh, which is common. There's a there's a quite a few of them on there. Uh most of them much better quality than mine. Uh nothing probably quite as quite as crazy. Uh my brother and I are I don't know. We're not right at the least. So I if you ever do listen to it, I apologize ahead of time, anybody and yourselves. There's a lot of trigger warnings that I'll I put on there because we touch on shit you should not. Um religion, politics, all the isms. I mean, it's it's it's rough. It's rough. But uh yeah, it's it's caveman podcast. Uh I think the best way to find it is I use the uh if you look up the at symbol there and then caveman 1981 AD, all one word. That pretty much, I guess, would take you everything of mine.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:28

Awesome. We uh absolutely put that in the show notes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

Yeah, and it and if you don't, I don't feel bad. I don't know if I want to I like I say this all the time too to people when I start broadcasting, I sure as hell wouldn't want to sit down and listen to me talk for an hour. But if somebody else does, you know, bless them. I'll understand them, but hell, go you know, do you boo-boo, because that's I don't know if I could.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:55

Um I that's funny because I said the same thing when we first started this. I was like, man, I'm gonna have to listen to every single episode at least two times while I'm editing this. And Allie's like, you didn't think about that when you started our comments.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:10

That's the worst. Oh my god, it's terrible. The editing.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:15

Oh usually the first half I'm pissed off the whole time, and the second half I'm like, okay, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:21

Yeah, at least you come around. I I don't even think I do that. I just stay pissed the entire time. I I can't, I don't know why it angers me so much. Probably because if you do listen to it, my brother, uh, he's a dipshit. Okay. Love him, but he's a dipshit. His audio, I don't know, he's got him and his kids are on internet, and the the wife's on the internet, and the three dogs are on the fucking internet. Like, I'm like, dude, you've only got so much bandwidth. You gotta cut that shit back. Let's do it at a different time. And it sounds like he's underwater, or I'm talking to a fucking robot. And I try to explain this to him. I I don't know. You'll if you hear it, you'll understand it. It's good to know. Oh, I gotta take a breath from that one. Yeah, I get wound up. You're good. I think about him. I just want to shake him.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:17

Uh well, Kenneth, is there anything else that you haven't had a chance to share yet that you would like to share with us and our listeners? Your live studio movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

Oh, well, I mean, okay, I'll say this and I'll give you uh I have a little small story not related to this, but kind of not related to this at all, but of the same nature, I guess.

unknown 1:03:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

And uh, but I'll leave it be for another time if you want to cut this off, or uh I can throw another ten minutes of you know, mind-numbing shit at you. Oh, it ends. Okay. Uh let me just apologize beforehand to the listeners. You know, I don't I don't want to tell them like I do when I'm doing this and be like, you know what, just turn it off and stop listening to me. You're done. Because I, you know, you want them to listen to your show, obviously. This is totally separate, but it involves little creature type things. And I don't I didn't even want to tell this because I I feel like people are gonna hear it and they're gonna be like, oh, this guy's seen little fucking aliens several times. Okay, I know what kind of guy he is. Like, I'm not saying these are aliens. I don't this is completely normal. It was my wife and I went up to Fairhaven Beach State Park on the south shore of Lake Ontario.

unknown 1:04:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:35

In in New York State. Um you know, meaningful place to us. That's where I proposed up there. There's like a mile-long pier that goes out into the the Great Lake, and you know, I'll save all that sappy shit, but this isn't about that. We went back because we go there camping throughout the summers. We go up to the Great Lakes a lot. And campsite up top, um, tent camping, and this is uh along a road that goes over the bluff. It's like a giant cliff on the side of the lake. I don't think they have bluffs in Texas, but no, we're not we don't have enough terrain for that. No, yeah, you guys might have a hill or something, but this these are giant like sand and rock cliffs. This one's about, I don't know, a hundred feet up. And we're camping up there. Uh, and there's a little tree section off at the the far left-hand side of beyond the road, the little bend in the road that comes up to the campsites. It was just us there and a couple of, I don't know, some drunk good old boys in a pickup, maybe a quarter of a mile down. It's three in the morning, everybody's sleeping. I step outside the tent because I gotta go pee. So I'm going out there and I look over into the tree line across the road, and the moonlight's shining over the lake. You know, it's gorgeous, it's hitting the bluffs, it's shining into the tree line. At least the edge of it, because it's not going to pierce the canopy. And there's like three little figures over there. You know, could these be some kids? Maybe. I mean, it's three in the morning and it's not the warmest, but it's a campsite. And but they just look like three little weird things, like oddly lurking around talking to each other. They look over at me, and obviously what I'm doing, I can't just stop. Uh yeah, I I mean I could, but I'm looking over, I'm like, I'm not even gonna fucking dive into this one. Uh I I don't care. I've got a rifle in the tent. I'm not worried about it. I just want to take a piss and go back to sleep. But these things were like weird little creatures, like over in the the tree line, and you know, like I said, I didn't know. I wrote it off as kids or whatever. And this was it, nothing happened to me, so there's no experience here, it's just something I seen. And I have done some research after the fact, and of course it's the Great Lake, so there's gonna be stories. But there's a lot of uh stuff about creatures in like Lake Ontario and uh Lake Erie and all that stuff. Is that you know, were were they creatures? I don't know. They could have been kids from a neighboring campsite, but weird little things over in the bushes. Uh no, not gnome height. Uh maybe like smaller kid height, like four or five average height. Interesting. So, you know, that's that's why I say I don't think there was like you know, four-year-olds over in the woods on a hundred foot bluff. There's a fence, granted, because you know, like the drunk hillbillies down the road from me there. If there wasn't a fence, they'd probably be dead by now.

unknown 1:07:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:54

But you know, and no offense to any hillbillies that may be listening, you guys just uh do whatever hillbillies do. And that that was it. I mean, I found that interesting. I just maybe somebody else has seen some shit on Lake Ontario. I never have, other than that, and I can't say that was cryptid or paranormal, but it didn't look normal to me. Um looking back, I wish I would have went over. I mean, they probably would have been gone by then, but you might have scared it away. Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I I could see where I would be scary out in the middle of the night in the moonlight. You know, pushing in the wind. That much, you know, bigger than another person. That too. I mean, I I kind of look like a Bigfoot, like a small Bigfoot. Because I'm I'm short, but I'm built like a Bigfoot and I got a fur coat on, so you know, I could see where I'd be scary standing in the moonlight, you know, pissing in a field at three in the morning.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:03

But for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:06

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:07

Dark, yeah. I could see how any any kind of tall person could be could be intimidating.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:15

That's what I got though. I mean, hopefully, uh, I'm gonna look into Mount Shasta as well. I'm glad that you would mention that. It never crossed my mind. Like, I don't I don't for some reason I've never heard of Mount Shasta being tied or there being a Mount Shasta, so of course Mount Shasta being tied to UFOs or anything.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:35

Uh if you ever go out there, please give us a follow-up. Let us know we found Shasta.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:41

Yeah, I don't I don't think I will because like I said, I was looking for a person and uh you kind of pointed me toward a place. Like that'll be it'll be at least fun to look into.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:52

It's um apparently it is a dormant volcano that hasn't erupted since 1786.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:58

Really? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:01

Ain't that some shit?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:03

And this happened in what 1981? 90 93, 94, you said.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:08

Yeah, it was around 90, 1990, 1993. Because I was born in 81, and I'm thinking I was like 10 to 12. So in that time frame.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:20

Ooh, they've got weird clouds. That's the weird cloud. I just pulled up a picture of the clouds that form above Mount bottom with a rounded top. They're almost UFO shaped, is what's really crazy about them.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:36

Yeah, I'm gonna have yeah. I'll be giving it a look. That just adds a whole new layer of interest. Give me something to, you know, I don't think I'll ever really figure anything out about what happened, but uh But at least you have the stories for it. Yeah. Yeah. Now I don't know if it's crazy too. And I don't I like I said, I don't I'm not one of these people like, oh, I'm an alien abduction survivor. And I'm not talking shit about anybody that is, you know, if you've been through some shit, you know, do what you gotta do. But I'm just the kind of guy, shit happens to me, I'm like, yeah, I'll just fucking live with it till I die, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:15

No, it's just me more competitive to us too, and we don't know how to explain it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

Yeah, some things you can't. It just they just are. Uh yeah I I I don't know. I mean sometimes I don't know if other people experience this or not, but just wake up abruptly. You know what I mean? You like you like I I laugh to myself sometimes, like, oh shit, I must have been abducted again or something. You know, you wake up and you're like panicking, but you're not having a dream, and you're like, I go back to sleep.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:48

I definitely wake up abruptly.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

Yeah, that m that might just be my addiction to uh Mountain Dew. I don't know. Could play a part. Could be, could be, could be. If you know anybody then that they thought, well, maybe he's not crazy by the end of the UFO story, everything beyond that, I've I've probably convinced them that I am just a nutcase. Yeah, that's that's what I do. I talk too much.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:17

There will be nutcases with you. Yeah, yeah, and you know, I I talk too much too, but that's why that's why I have a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

That's great. That's what I was saying. That's yeah, that's a prerequisite for this, is you've got to be somebody that's just long-winded and opinionated and other things.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:36

I am. It has been an absolute pleasure talking with you. We're gonna you have the rest of your day, and um thank you so much for your time.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:47

Thanks for having me on. You know, hopefully somebody hears this, and I'll I'll keep my eyes peeled on the comments once it's posted.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:55

For sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:59

Yeah, that area before one day is that people will like hear it, see it, and be like, oh yeah, like I can this with me. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:09

And my other hope is that people hear it and go, Oh, I don't have to judge myself anymore, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

So hopefully, I mean if it does something positive for somebody great. I'm I'm just used to like the blank stares or you know, someone and I haven't told it to too many people because the obvious, but um the ones that have heard it, uh there's really been no feedback for me. So I don't know what to you know. This has been nice. At least I've had somebody to bounce it, you know, more than one person, I've maybe many people to bounce it off of.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:42

So yeah. Absolutely. Thank you so much for sharing this part of your story and this part of your life, and literally a whole hour plus of your of your time that I know you can't get back. So we really appreciate that support that you're giving our podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

Thank you. Yep, thanks again for having me.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:02

Of course, you have a wonderful day.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:04

You too. Thank you, Chase Ellie.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:07

So, how did you like our interview? That was um interesting. Thanks for surprising me, by the way. Uh, I didn't know that this was the first thing that we were gonna be doing today. Well, for oh yeah, she had no clue that we were gonna have to be talking to another human being on the phone earlier before that. So I that was a really interesting, um, that was a really interesting experience I went through. And I don't know. Uh I love when things make my brain fire up a little bit and the whole like Shasta, Shasta Mountain hidden what that was out in the like the Red Woods and stuff. Yeah, that's that's interesting. The the the Saw part kind of made me think I'm like that's just an interesting thing to see. For me, honestly, I'm uh okay. So like you know you know I'm a believer, yeah, right? Oh yeah. So you know I've heard a lot of different like podcasts about these kind of encounters. I've watched a lot of shows and stuff, and it's not uncommon for them to project something into your mind to hide them. So what if that wasn't a saw blade? You know what I mean? Like, you never know. So you told him that that might have been. Well, I didn't think so until now. Oh my god, it's uh that might just be another implanted memory that you have that you actually saw something else and then just turned it into a solid. I mean, that's my thought. That's what's come to my brain since we got off the line with him, but it's wrong. I know, right? It's kind of crazy. So yeah. Um, yeah, Ali had no clue. I mean, I for what it's worth, I sent you a screenshot of him saying that he wanted to be on a podcast to tell a story of his abduction from when he was a young boy. Okay, you just thought about the whole thing. No, okay, so that's the thing is people don't know, but we have another interview set up later on. And I thought that that was the interview. Well, that's actually uh interview with another podcaster that is interested in the same kind of weird shit that we're interested in. Oh nice. So, guys, look out for the next episode. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, um that being said, I have a pretty rock for you. It's it's it it's like a citrine color, but it doesn't but it's like a tourmaline shape. Um I don't know, maybe like yellow cords. Smoky, not smoky cords, it's too yellow for it. Candied honey. Right? Um it does. It looks like candied honey. It looks like someone wiped honey. Yeah. Let's see what it is. It is amber. It's amber. Okay, okay. Cool, cool. What it is. Uh of way ancient origin, amber is not a rock, but a fossilized tree resin with a sugar sweet energy telegraphed by its golden honey and maple syrup. That's what it looks like, honey wiped on the card. A lot of the times I like that we're we're like describing these cards, and then we read the back of it. It's like it describes like it's like what we describe. Guess what? You're wrong. You're not wrong. You have eyes. Amber promotes a feeling of warmth and well-being from first blush. And armchair paleontologists love the dinosaur era bugs, aka inclusions, sometimes caught inside. Hello, uh, Jurassic Arc Donald Hammond. Okay, anyways. Who needs it? Tree people, old souls, tree people. Anyone gearing up for a long dark winter, literally me, but we didn't get a long dark winter, but I'm a tree person. The funny thing is, you know how I uh pick up different kinds of um jewelry from Renaissance festivals? Uh my next one's gonna be Amber. Hell yeah. Where to put it? Any room you want to convert into a sunroom. Okay, that's what's up. That's what's up. Also, open the blinds and voila. When to use it? When you need a metaphysical hug from the universe, call on Amber's cuddly electric blanket vibes and cozy up. And the motto is recharge your good vibes. Very, very nice. The reason why it threw me off is because it looks like a crystalline structure, right? But it's actually just a chunk of it that must have like broken off or something. But yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:33

With that being said.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:35

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SPEAKER_06 1:19:17

And then they hear violent sound.